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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 0:39:02 GMT
Guys & Gals a little while back I picked up some Kayfuns in a give away, now that was great and I thought they would do for my better half as she is only MTL thing is although I have given coiling and wicking it a shot it has been a complete flop, so I am looking for some help on the best wire to use and the best method. Since I have never worked on anything as small and have to say just getting a coil to fit and stay in place has proven to be beyond my limited abilities, so first what is the best gauge wire currently I have a 24g which seems very springy and getting the screws to hold on it is so far near impossible next there is how many wraps of whichever wire is best, please note coil making is still a work in progress for me then we move on to the wicking I have read and watched a few videos etc but the advice varies quite a bit some seem to go for a lot of cotton and whilst it looks good in theory it is the complete opposite of others ' so any help on the various points mentioned here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading and a big thanks if you can take the time to educate me on the finer points of working on this very small deck.
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Post by Cyborg on Nov 17, 2017 0:55:21 GMT
I made this guide some years ago for someone but gave them it printed out so I hope this picture helps you out.
But this is what I use on the Prime
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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 1:07:40 GMT
I am guessing the first is some type of silica or have I got that completely wrong, something I don't have so cotton would be the route for now. Thanks for the pics as that could prove vital in getting it sorted.
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:08:26 GMT
I've always built my Kayfun with .28 easy to get under the screws and used contact coils 2.5mm bit wraps 5/6 or 6/7 normally ohms out around 1.38 muji cotton vape's a treat
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:10:59 GMT
I am guessing the first is some type of silica or have I got that completely wrong, something I don't have so cotton would be the route for now. Thanks for the pics as that could prove vital in getting it sorted. If I get time tomorrow I'll do i fresh build in mine and try put up a load of pics for you mate
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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 1:19:21 GMT
That would be great, I won't be able to see it until I get in from work around 9.30, so no rush and if you can't mange it right now just let me know when you do get the chance, and also any recommendations on the best size wire to work with those tiny screws would be awesome should you or anyone else have some.
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Post by taff on Nov 17, 2017 1:25:51 GMT
I have a few kayfuns also...and I normally use 28 guage kanthal..not sure if the wire is the important thing where kayfuns are concerned... for me, the most important thing is not to pack the cotton too tightly in there.. dont have it through the coil too tightly, have it looser and not so thick that it gets packed tightly when you put the chimney on it, and enough length to just touch the ledge.. if you pack it in, it chokes off the flow and does not wick so well.
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:31:19 GMT
I have a few kayfuns also...and I normally use 28 guage kanthal..not sure if the wire is the important thing where kayfuns are concerned... for me, the most important thing is not to pack the cotton too tightly in there.. dont have it through the coil too tightly, have it looser and not so thick that it gets packed tightly when you put the chimney on it, and enough length to just touch the ledge.. if you pack it in, it chokes off the flow. That's how I do mine so the cotton is just touching the Base...and try make it fluffy....don't pack it in ...with a Kayfun less is more . Mine is the lite so not loads of air flow so I like to build it over 1ohm but under 1.5ish
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Post by Cyborg on Nov 17, 2017 1:39:35 GMT
Yes its silica in the firs pic, I prefer using silica on the older Kayfuns but the deck on the 5 & the prime are good with cotton. Less is more with the Kayfun, don’t stuff the channels but just let your wick touch the deck.
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:44:52 GMT
Yes its silica in the firs pic, I prefer using silica on the older Kayfuns but the deck on the 5 & the prime are good with cotton. Less is more with the Kayfun, don’t stuff the channels but just let your wick touch the deck. I used to love the navy nest build in the Kayfun lite but I've not used silica for maybe 3 years
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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 1:45:59 GMT
Double post OOPS.
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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 1:46:33 GMT
Cyborg I just re-read your post and 28g is something that was mentioned to me so I might just order some as the 24 seems a bit chunky for those screws, I can't recall right now which versions they all are but 1 is definitely a 5 pawns or a clone of and the decks on the other all seem around the same size. I did wonder if there was a screw of similar size but with a larger head to it for capturing the wire.
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:51:23 GMT
Cyborg I just re-read your post and 28g is something that was mentioned to me so I might just order some as the 24 seems a bit chunky for those screws, I can't recall right now which versions they all are but 1 is definitely a 5 pawns or a clone of and the decks on the other all seem around the same size. I did wonder if there was a screw of similar size but with a larger head to it for capturing the wire. If it's like this it's a lite or lite plus or 5 pawns
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 1:53:00 GMT
Cyborg I just re-read your post and 28g is something that was mentioned to me so I might just order some as the 24 seems a bit chunky for those screws, I can't recall right now which versions they all are but 1 is definitely a 5 pawns or a clone of and the decks on the other all seem around the same size. I did wonder if there was a screw of similar size but with a larger head to it for capturing the wire. I'd definitely recommend 28g and a 2.5mm bit
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Post by taff on Nov 17, 2017 1:56:17 GMT
What Sputs40 said!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:16:33 GMT
i dont "do" awg as its pointless, when a "size" can refer to 3 Different diameters of wire, 0.25mm to 0.3mm will but that is About your limit aim for "about" a ohm and a bit,, 1.0 to 1.8 as that range Seems to be where pretty much most folk end up liking a kayfun lite/lite+ which is the base shown excuse the naff video , im a nerd not a video nerd a couple of winds went over each other, simple to unwind and redo correctly like that, even when you have plates/pins in your thumb, that, with Ni200 for temp or 0.27mm kanthal for vw/mech is how all my 3.1es/lites get built, and same coiling technique for all coils just placement/wicking changes for other tanks youd want the coil to be approx 2-3mm up from the ait tube in the kayfun , about where the vid shows it, wick it with not a lot of cotton, cut to length to Just rest on the shelf either side of the coil +ve block, they really Dont need fancy ass "nest coils" or other extra faffery ,, the fig 8 silica loop works very well as does a very simple cotton build fluff the ends where they touch the shelf,, dont trap them when you screw the chamber on ,, juice em well , chimney on,, and you can test toot there if you slide a dt onto the end of the chimney , the orriginal dt with the kayfun should fit if its a gen SM jobbie,
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 12:50:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:44:37 GMT
yours is a contact mines spaced but other than that "snap" oh and i wet the wicks to make them stick to the deck/shelves before putting the chamber on,,
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 13:48:38 GMT
yours is a contact mines spaced but other than that "snap" oh and i wet the wicks to make them stick to the deck/shelves before putting the chamber on,, I used to wet the wick before putting the chamber on but I don't anymore ...and I always use contact coils in the Kayfun....not sure why just habit I suppose Edit I don't often use the chimney andyd as I use the steam tuners tiny tank so I find contact coils a bit less spity
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Post by phtumshk on Nov 17, 2017 13:55:39 GMT
SputNik build/wick looks spot on. I (used to) do mine by pulling the wick through the chamber then chopping it off level with the top after its been screwed down then fluff it up then gently push it into the spaces at the side of the deck so its still fluffy.
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 13:59:53 GMT
SputNik build/wick looks spot on. I (used to) do mine by pulling the wick through the chamber then chopping it off level with the top after its been screwed down then fluff it up then gently push it into the spaces at the side of the deck so its still fluffy. Yeah I did it that way too when I first started using cotton picked up from watching Todd's build....but the found sometimes you can end up stuffing it down too tight
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 14:07:18 GMT
yours is a contact mines spaced but other than that "snap" oh and i wet the wicks to make them stick to the deck/shelves before putting the chamber on,, I used to wet the wick before putting the chamber on but I don't anymore ...and I always use contact coils in the Kayfun....not sure why just habit I suppose Edit I don't often use the chimney andyd as I use the steam tuners tiny tank so I find contact coils a bit less spity i suck more than you so use the full size 4.5ml tanks good point on contact V spaced for spitting and distance to DT (and bore size of dt "!") also i find if the cotton is loose in the coil it spits far more than when its "snug but not too tight" with spaced coils,
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Post by SputNik on Nov 17, 2017 14:09:33 GMT
I used to wet the wick before putting the chamber on but I don't anymore ...and I always use contact coils in the Kayfun....not sure why just habit I suppose Edit I don't often use the chimney andyd as I use the steam tuners tiny tank so I find contact coils a bit less spity i suck more than you so use the full size 4.5ml tanks good point on contact V spaced for spitting and distance to DT (and bore size of dt "!") also i find if the cotton is loose in the coil it spits far more than when its "snug but not too tight" with spaced coils, Spot on andy
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Post by joeten on Nov 17, 2017 22:58:38 GMT
Thank you Guys I now have something to refer to when I next sit down to battle my way through coiling and wicking but I need to order some wire first and from memory the decks look very similar to that shown, I hope to get it right and then I only have 4 more to do which by my reckoning should keep the mrs set for a good few months or maybe longer though if the coiling part goes well I may just run up a few and put them aside, but then I will need to bookmark this thread so that I can come back to it in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 23:38:58 GMT
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Post by phtumshk on Nov 18, 2017 16:17:44 GMT
Ive got a load of .3 wire I dont use. Drop me a PM and Ill send you a coil FOC.
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Post by keepitgoin on Nov 19, 2017 14:04:08 GMT
When I first began coiling I, too, found it very difficult to get it right. I watched a video where a guy used an M3 (3mm dia) bolt and used the threads as a guide. I think it's possible to get a 2.5mm Bolt for smaller diameter coils. Its a good way to practice, even if you don't end up with the worlds best coils. Doing a few "rubbish" attempts is really cheap on wire. I also went to get my eyes tested, as I found seeing close up stuff was harder than I remembered. Guess what! Yep I DO need glasses for close work. Another positive outcome for starting Vaping, you do new stuff and check out things you've been ignoring for ages! I found (and still use) 8 wraps around a Blue screwdriver, pull both ends tight, push the coil to the handle, set coil, still around Screwdriver shaft, under deck post (I screw 1 side down first) then do up the other screw and only then line the coil up using screwdriver.
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Post by joeten on Nov 20, 2017 16:32:34 GMT
andyd I do have some coiling kit. phtumshk Thanks a very kind offer, but I will say no as my mate will help me out if I get stuck. keepitgoin I think I am about due to go for my next eye test soon, my dad had glaucoma so I have it done every year and so far so good on that score. I have the start of cataracts but it will be a long way down the line before that gets any attention, in the meantime it will be new glasses as and when required,
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