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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 6:37:57 GMT
Lots of us here seem to like a decent MTL vape...and half of us are always looking for something better... Better draw...better taste...better quality...ease of use etc.. but how many here are still using good old genisis atomisers for a daily vape.
I don't think that there is much out there that can beat a well set up genny for a MTL vape, and yes, they can be a bit of a faff to build sometimes, but are also an atty that can last a year or more on the same mesh wick, so you don't have to rebuild them, change the cotton etc. every few days... Fit and forget...
So who here, is still using genisis attys as an everyday vape?, or have you tried them and cant get on with the mesh wicking system?
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Post by feeson on Oct 6, 2018 7:14:52 GMT
I think you nailed it on the last sentence for me taff I just cant seem to get them to "click" as well on the set up side compared to a RTA with cotton or silica. |
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Post by paulspeller on Oct 6, 2018 7:47:43 GMT
have not used one in a few years . used to but to be fair think i have become a lazy vaper and just want something i can wick up in a flash and get a consistent vape
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 7:57:41 GMT
have not used one in a few years . used to but to be fair think i have become a lazy vaper and just want something i can wick up in a flash and get a consistent vape Can quite understand that mate... but i look at it a different way...I am also a lazy vaper, and that's one of the reasons i like a decent mesh wick...can use the same mesh wick for well over a year and some i have now were built over two years ago, and still are as good as new..that to me is worth the faff in building these mesh wicks, when you don't have the constant messing about with the atty ...re-wicking it etc... just fill it and forget it...a little dry burn every now and again and its as good as new... saves me a lot of time messing about. |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 8:04:10 GMT
I think you nailed it on the last sentence for me taff I just cant seem to get them to "click" as well on the set up side compared to a RTA with cotton or silica. They do certainly take more time and effort than a normal cotton build mate. I agree ... and they did take me quite a while and a whole lot of wasted time and effort, not to mention mesh and wire etc. before i thought i had it nailed .. but the flavour from a cotton wick doesn't compare to a good mesh wick ... especially for tobacco type juices and custards ... for me anyway. I reckon its worth it. |
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Post by feeson on Oct 6, 2018 8:24:42 GMT
I know taff but I can be lazy  TBH it must be 4 years since I bought mesh and I still have a chunk left of the sheet. I've got the Kracken I got of todd and that gets a whirl every now and then but I use cotton when I do  I know I should but as said I can be lazy. You have a tutorial thread somewhere here on them dont you? |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 8:56:18 GMT
I know taff but I can be lazy TBH it must be 4 years since I bought mesh and I still have a chunk left of the sheet. I've got the Kracken I got of todd and that gets a whirl every now and then but I use cotton when I do I know I should but as said I can be lazy. You have a tutorial thread somewhere here on them dont you? I think so mate, but with my memory i cant remember!! will see if i can find it....... |
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Post by Balders on Oct 6, 2018 9:12:53 GMT
I still use three on a daily basis and they are quite easy to get up and going and never have any of those dreaded hotspot's appearing. A couple of them I mainly use for my tobacco eliquid's and the other for a fruit eliquid as it does bring out the flavour a lot more. I also still have quite a few stored away which come out occasionally. And I totally agree that for anyone just starting on them that they can be a challenge to set up and I do believe there is a knack to get them working right without any hotspot's. But I am glad I was lucky enough to start vaping years ago when mesh was king and to get a decent vape you had to persevere to get yourself a decent vape. As for the kracken feeson when I had mine the only way I could get mine going correctly was by building a mesh u-wick, using any other wick and I would either get hotspot's or it never wicked enough for me. |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 9:57:23 GMT
This is Todd's review of the Kraken, and the one below is Igetcha's review and build on the Kraken atty.. its quite a simple build, but one that works..
Kraken RBA by Vicious Ant
REVIEW OF THE KRAKEN GENESIS ATOMISER BY VICIOUS ANT
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 9:59:45 GMT
I still use three on a daily basis and they are quite easy to get up and going and never have any of those dreaded hotspot's appearing. A couple of them I mainly use for my tobacco eliquid's and the other for a fruit eliquid as it does bring out the flavour a lot more. I also still have quite a few stored away which come out occasionally. And I totally agree that for anyone just starting on them that they can be a challenge to set up and I do believe there is a knack to get them working right without any hotspot's. But I am glad I was lucky enough to start vaping years ago when mesh was king and to get a decent vape you had to persevere to get yourself a decent vape. As for the kracken feeson when I had mine the only way I could get mine going correctly was by building a mesh u-wick, using any other wick and I would either get hotspot's or it never wicked enough for me. The kracken can be a bit of a pain to get wicking properly mate, but in mine i use an SS Rope wick with some 200sf mesh as a topper under the coil, as rope wicks really well, and the 200 mesh can hold the juice, so no dry hits at all... |
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Post by feeson on Oct 6, 2018 13:41:32 GMT
Is it just me or does todd have more grey hair in that vid than he does now?  |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 14:48:28 GMT
No More Grey is a wonderful thing.... 😀
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Post by Balders on Oct 6, 2018 14:52:12 GMT
Is it just me or does todd have more grey hair in that vid than he does now? Having a little grey hair is better than none at all.  |
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Post by pulsevape on Oct 6, 2018 15:03:33 GMT
Lots of us here seem to like a decent MTL vape...and half of us are always looking for something better... Better draw...better taste...better quality...ease of use etc.. but how many here are still using good old genisis atomisers for a daily vape. I don't think that there is much out there that can beat a well set up genny for a MTL vape, and yes, they can be a bit of a faff to build sometimes, but are also an atty that can last a year or more on the same mesh wick, so you don't have to rebuild them, change the cotton etc. every few days... Fit and forget... So who here, is still using genisis attys as an everyday vape?, or have you tried them and cant get on with the mesh wicking system? I only use gennys, and always have...with mesh...I never had much use for cotton, and though I've tried to like it I never will,I gave up trying to convince myself that I ever would and threw out all my cotton years ago.along with raime,hemp,and assorted other limp wick garbage...I have to say though I never had a build in a genny for a year..I rebuild them all about every 2-3 weeks, a month at the latest....for what it's worth the Kraken is pure sh*te. IMHO...I don't get hotspots...haven't in years...once you master building with mesh,it's not the horrific nightmare alot of people think it is...and I recently had this discussion with someone else who said his organic cotton delivered as good a flavor as mesh...bullcrap...anyone who says that has never learned how to build with mesh right.I have vaped plenty of Organic Japanese cotton on clapton coils and I ain't impressed...cotton is easy,cotton wicks like a sponge,but cotton mutes flavor...I can vape up to 30 watts on mesh no problem,and that is as high as I will ever vape, I don't need a sponge.for anybody really into gennys there's been some great innovations recently..if you really like gennys..go on facebook and check out Genisis Symphony, their new meshes and woven flat wires are excellent.The Russians seem to be alot more into gennys than other folks. |
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Post by pulsevape on Oct 6, 2018 15:21:28 GMT
Is it just me or does todd have more grey hair in that vid than he does now? Having a little grey hair is better than none at all. Yeah baby...with that lipstick he's a dead ringer of Sinead O'Conner....I know he's famous now,but I will always see him this way.. |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 15:21:41 GMT
Have been looking at those mate, for my nextgen and in'ax mkIIR's... What version of their wick and wire do you suggest for these.. As they seem to have a few variations of both wick and wire?
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Post by pulsevape on Oct 6, 2018 15:41:44 GMT
Have been looking at those mate, for my nextgen and in'ax mkIIR's... What version of their wick and wire do you suggest for these.. As they seem to have a few variations of both wick and wire? They sell what they call their MTL packs....and then they sell what they call their DL packs, and then they sell alot of different gauges of wire....I ordered one of each of the packs...each pack has two or three different gauges of wire...there are three kinds of mesh and it seems 90% of people there use just two of them wrapped together to make their wicks..on their facebook page is a folder that shows each wire and the recommended wattage use for each variety..I've been using their stuff for over two months now and I haven't really put a dent in using up either of the packs I bought...this stuff delivers the flavor longer than conventional wire.I wanted to give them a thourough vetting before I wrote up a recommendation of them....there are all kinds of vapers on their page from very experinced genheads to people who are genny noobs, so you have to take what people say with a grain of salt and learn who is experinced and listen to them, and between noobs who are just fanboys gushing over the latest new trend. But I will say they are very very definetly worth giving a go. the wire is very differnt than conventional wire it is very flexible and will not hold it's shape well.so building with it in some ways is 180 degrees different than building with standard wire.for what it is worth I found the flat wires to be much better than the round wires...There is also a company called I think "Dragons breath" that sell similar types of wire.also russian. |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 15:50:26 GMT
Thanks for that info. mate, very useful.. Will pop over there and see what they have and what their prices are like posted to the uk...quite looking forward to trying out something new!! Certainly sounds different...
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Post by Balders on Oct 6, 2018 17:26:39 GMT
Thanks for that info. mate, very useful.. Will pop over there and see what they have and what their prices are like posted to the uk...quite looking forward to trying out something new!! Certainly sounds different... And if you can taff could you tell us what prices they quote you as I wouldn't mind having a try out with their mesh and wires.  |
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Post by Cyborg on Oct 6, 2018 18:31:02 GMT
Haven't used one in years but I am a Kfan although this thread has got me thinking so if I still have one in my vapocalypse box I will have to give it a go
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 18:33:44 GMT
Thanks for that info. mate, very useful.. Will pop over there and see what they have and what their prices are like posted to the uk...quite looking forward to trying out something new!! Certainly sounds different... And if you can taff could you tell us what prices they quote you as I wouldn't mind having a try out with their mesh and wires. I will do mate.. will see if they have a list of stuff they have for sale... |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 18:47:34 GMT
Thought i was a member of that group... Genisis Symphony by Karlson on facebook, but i left lots of vape groups a while ago that i wasnt actually using and it looks like this was one of them... have applied to join again and if i do will see what sort of things they do...specs, prices etc. and drop a post here...
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Post by Balders on Oct 6, 2018 18:51:15 GMT
Managed to grab this information To make the order you need to contact me in PM.
Ropes and mesh will be shipped during 2 days after the payment with the tracking number. World shipping is free.
Proper coil performance using my mesh for wicking is garanteed.
The price for a sheet 10*20cm - 3.5€
Test Pack contains 5 kinds of ropes (by 20 cm each), 2 kinds of mesh (10x10 cm), S-wick maker with sample to use - 21€
Payment via secure.moneygram.com/, card2card transfer or other suitable service (PayPal doesn't transfer to Ukraine). But haven't a clue on secure.moneygram.com/, card2card |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 19:05:45 GMT
well that was approved, and i have seen that there is a whole load of information on their stuff on there...but the one i wanted to copy here has been deleted or is not available for some reason, so i would suggest that rather than me trying to copy paste half their facebook posts!! go to the site and just join it...then you will be able to see the videos, build guides , specs and prices etc. its an open group so no problem joining there.. if you dont want to join there, i will see what i can copy over for you folks..
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 19:06:53 GMT
Here is one pdf about their gear.. hope this helps a tad:- some of the posts on there i am not able to copy... Rope and mesh guide |
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Post by Balders on Oct 6, 2018 19:44:14 GMT
Here is one pdf about their gear.. hope this helps a tad:- some of the posts on there i am not able to copy... Rope and mesh guideI couldn't manage to download the pdf with the link you posted taff so I went and downloaded it direct from their fb page, if anyone else wants it I have uploaded it to Google drive, and here's the link for it. Hopefully it will work. |
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Post by taff on Oct 6, 2018 21:04:03 GMT
Ah... sorry about that...it downloaded ok for me, so i thought it would be fine for folk.. thanks mate...
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Post by Cyborg on Oct 6, 2018 21:10:17 GMT
Link takes me to  face book log in taff |
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Post by pulsevape on Oct 6, 2018 22:42:31 GMT
Managed to grab this information To make the order you need to contact me in PM.
Ropes and mesh will be shipped during 2 days after the payment with the tracking number. World shipping is free.
Proper coil performance using my mesh for wicking is garanteed.
The price for a sheet 10*20cm - 3.5€
Test Pack contains 5 kinds of ropes (by 20 cm each), 2 kinds of mesh (10x10 cm), S-wick maker with sample to use - 21€
Payment via secure.moneygram.com/, card2card transfer or other suitable service (PayPal doesn't transfer to Ukraine). But haven't a clue on secure.moneygram.com/, card2card there are two guys in the group..one guy does group buys for the US one guy does group buys for Europe...paypal doesn't operate in the Ukraine where this stuff is from...I go through the group buys folks. |
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Post by pulsevape on Oct 8, 2018 3:19:57 GMT
Sorry I got something wrong...the other supplier to take a look at who has similar stuff to Genisis Symphony is called "Vaper's Breath" link vapersbreath.ru/mtl/ |
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TBH it must be 4 years since I bought mesh and I still have a chunk left of the sheet. I've got the Kracken I got of 
