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Post by taff on Mar 17, 2017 22:57:27 GMT
Saw a post by Paul earlier about liking a good MTL vape, and I have to say I do also, and looks like there are a fair few of us that feel the same way...
So what's your fav. Method of vaping, wide open lung hits for clouds... or closed down for a good MTL vape?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 23:11:57 GMT
not "golf ball & garden hose tight" , the 1.1mm on the rsm hybrid is as tight as i like to go , Bit looser than a kfl+ but not as airy as a K5 on 2nd setting "soooking like a dyson on steroids ",, meh never smoked like that, why would i want to vape like that as masses of air kills flavour intensity and density,, "replaces it" (so they claim) with volume of vape per toot,,,, and i aint thomas the tank engine, or a cooling tower for a coal fired powerstation *oh and Way to tight wallet to waste 44ml of juice per toot
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Post by phtumshk on Mar 17, 2017 23:50:37 GMT
I like an MTL and a restricted lung hit but I cant be doing with the wide open full on lung hits. I do like my RDAs a little more airier than my tank sets tho.
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Post by sarahf on Mar 18, 2017 0:09:20 GMT
I like a bit of both, variety is the spice and all that.
If I was to choose a perfect draw I'd say Exocet in billet box, it's a restricted hit, no too tight not too airy and perfect warmth for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 0:28:51 GMT
you raise aa good point there "perfect warmth" while your "ideal/perfect" will be different to taff's or mine, there seems to be a preferd warmth of vape folks like that goes With "how much/little air" does it also depend on the Flavour being tooted ? (thinking is, we almost expect a mint/menthol to be a cool mouth feel, yet a custard to be a warm mouth feel , as that , unless your a eats custard cold type person, what we are used to with similar tastes ? ) (and does a narda count as airy when its at about 3/4 open?? of have i straied into clouds territory there )
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Post by taff on Mar 18, 2017 0:37:26 GMT
Must admit that I am a MTL vaper.
Not too tight... Hellfire at 1.0 is too tight now for me, but a 1.3mm or so air hole is just about perfect. Tried the direct to lung style, and just could not get on with it... Had me coughing and spluttering like an old fogey..(Oh hang on....I am an old fogey! Maybe thats why then! swear01 )
On the Narda that Andy mentioned I have to close it to less than 1/2 way or its too much for me..about a 1/4 open is just about right.
I will start a thread for MTL vaping, so we can have reviews, tests, our experiences with them etc. Or I may well ask Balders if he could make us a section just for MTL, as there seem to be a fair few of us still knocking around..and we have one for clouds bro!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 1:00:53 GMT
Must admit that I am a MTL vaper. Not too tight... Hellfire at 1.0 is too tight now for me, but a 1.3mm or so air hole is just about perfect. Tried the direct to lung style, and just could not get on with it... Had me coughing and spluttering like an old fogey..(Oh hang on....I am an old fogey! Maybe thats why then! swear01 ) On the Narda that Andy mentioned I have to close it to less than 1/2 way or its too much for me..about a 1/4 open is just about right. I will start a thread for MTL vaping, so we can have reviews, tests, our experiences with them etc. Or I may well ask Balders if he could make us a section just for MTL, as there seem to be a fair few of us still knocking around..and we have one for clouds bro! daft thunk ,,it is me after all,, but we vape,, be that a mouse fart cloud (me) or clouds bro powerstation, and while its nice to have "our style" easy to find, etc and all that,, we all vape, so perhaps keep us in the same corners of the cafe,, we may learn more about "airflow for days" vpe style and how it Might work for us and the airflow for days peeps can see our whittering about golf ball/hose pipe and intense flavours, while outputting slightly less than a mouse on a cold day,, same as the cross over of info re pg/vg ratios and how that changes not only the cloud , but flavour and "mouth feel" (if / when i find out what that is i shall let ya know) as atm im testing the goose juice which i Think i mixed at 50/50 , and its quite a mellow taste, kind chewy kinda nice, (it has had 3 weeks in teh box of steeping)but im testing it in the rsm hybrid with the 1.1mm airhole, i may find it is even nice in the narda with 1/2 closed air,, but i guess im meaning other stylees of vape might / could give info over to the other styles that just make it better for all as end of the day we vape ??
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Post by taff on Mar 18, 2017 1:04:43 GMT
Must admit that I am a MTL vaper. Not too tight... Hellfire at 1.0 is too tight now for me, but a 1.3mm or so air hole is just about perfect. Tried the direct to lung style, and just could not get on with it... Had me coughing and spluttering like an old fogey..(Oh hang on....I am an old fogey! Maybe thats why then! swear01 ) On the Narda that Andy mentioned I have to close it to less than 1/2 way or its too much for me..about a 1/4 open is just about right. I will start a thread for MTL vaping, so we can have reviews, tests, our experiences with them etc. Or I may well ask Balders if he could make us a section just for MTL, as there seem to be a fair few of us still knocking around..and we have one for clouds bro! daft thunk ,,it is me after all,, but we vape,, be that a mouse fart cloud (me) or clouds bro powerstation, and while its nice to have "our style" easy to find, etc and all that,, we all vape, so perhaps keep us in the same corners of the cafe,, we may learn more about "airflow for days" vpe style and how it Might work for us and the airflow for days peeps can see our whittering about golf ball/hose pipe and intense flavours, while outputting slightly less than a mouse on a cold day,, same as the cross over of info re pg/vg ratios and how that changes not only the cloud , but flavour and "mouth feel" (if / when i find out what that is i shall let ya know) as atm im testing the goose juice which i Think i mixed at 50/50 , and its quite a mellow taste, kind chewy kinda nice, (it has had 3 weeks in teh box of steeping)but im testing it in the rsm hybrid with the 1.1mm airhole, i may find it is even nice in the narda with 1/2 closed air,, but i guess im meaning other stylees of vape might / could give info over to the other styles that just make it better for all as end of the day we vape ?? That makes sense to me Andy, keep the styles of vaping all together mate, easier to find as well...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:47:20 GMT
Can't do mtl anymore, anything restricted lung + is fine but it's a case of matching build, power and airflow.
I like density and flavour, which I find I can only achieve with rdas. The missus has various stock coil tanks which I've tried, the flavour and density just isn't there for me be it a mtl or subtank, the exception being a cleito with a 0.4ohm coil.
I'm currently vaping 1.5%nic, any more and I taste it. I'll probably go 0 at some point, I don't feel I need it anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:55:15 GMT
Can't do mtl anymore, anything restricted lung + is fine but it's a case of matching build, power and airflow. I like density and flavour, which I find I can only achieve with rdas. The missus has various stock coil tanks which I've tried, the flavour and density just isn't there for me be it a mtl or subtank, the exception being a cleito with a 0.4ohm coil. I'm currently vaping 1.5%nic, any more and I taste it. I'll probably go 0 at some point, I don't feel I need it anymore. for me, that you feel/think you are "free" from the need/want to vape a nic containg juice is brilliant news, how you got there or what you use , meh thats just ,to me, totally unimportant to the news that you think you dont need nic anymore i have noticed that peeps who vape mtl Seem generally to be vaping a nic thats "above 8mg/ml" and the volume vapers tend mostly to be 6mg/ml and below, must be something in the Volume peer toot and nic level somewhere? (that and the need?? for more power as lower nic level ?)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 4:41:52 GMT
I'm convinced nic level is mostly psychological. My drop from 12mg to 6mg, was down to 12mg being out of stock. I was still using a kfl+, orchid v4, etc and really noticed the increase in flavour. It was at that point I realised if I could drop to 6mg, the flavour would be better and this spurred me on. I've never really enjoyed the throat hit either, and discovered I was pg sensitive. I started using heavier/max vg juices, the tanks I was using were struggling to wick, so I ventured into dripping. I again dropped to 3mg, I was expecting to struggle (I'd been a minimum 40 a day), but the extra flavour was worth it as was the extra density. My missus is a 12mg vaper, but she has completely unwittingly vaped various flavours as low as 8mg without noticing at all. She didn't increase the amount she vaped, but I was careful to only use flavours she hasn't had before. Ultimately though, for every 10ml of 1.2mg she vapes, I'd have to consume 80ml of 1.5mg. On average she's around 6ml a day (1ml nic), I'm around 15ml (0.31ml nic) a day.
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Post by dangermouse on Mar 18, 2017 8:44:24 GMT
I mostly vape MTL most of the time with a Kayfun lite plus using 18mg liquid. I also like restricted lung hit with various other tanks usually at 12mg but also have a few drippers for the occasional cloud.
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Post by hodge on Mar 18, 2017 13:22:31 GMT
mtl for me at 0.8-1.4 ohms-saving juice and kanthal since 2013 😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 13:46:22 GMT
I'm convinced nic level is mostly psychological. My drop from 12mg to 6mg, was down to 12mg being out of stock. I was still using a kfl+, orchid v4, etc and really noticed the increase in flavour. It was at that point I realised if I could drop to 6mg, the flavour would be better and this spurred me on. I've never really enjoyed the throat hit either, and discovered I was pg sensitive. I started using heavier/max vg juices, the tanks I was using were struggling to wick, so I ventured into dripping. I again dropped to 3mg, I was expecting to struggle (I'd been a minimum 40 a day), but the extra flavour was worth it as was the extra density. My missus is a 12mg vaper, but she has completely unwittingly vaped various flavours as low as 8mg without noticing at all. She didn't increase the amount she vaped, but I was careful to only use flavours she hasn't had before. Ultimately though, for every 10ml of 1.2mg she vapes, I'd have to consume 80ml of 1.5mg. On average she's around 6ml a day (1ml nic), I'm around 15ml (0.31ml nic) a day. Very similar thoughts here, i Do belive my "need" of nic is not a physiological one any more, i think/suspect for me it is just the psychological aspect. i started on 12mg/ml, most of the juice i have made has been 11mg/ml (the numbers worked out easier for 11 than 12) but of late i have been mixing at 8mg/ml and or 11mg/ml and a 100ml bottle of either lasts just as long , not a huge drop in mg/ml i will agree, but it will slide down to 6mg/ml soon, mainly as a way to make the nic stores last longer, but thats me thinking/feeling that the relatively low nic compared to rollies has sod all real -ves for me (and i smoked for 30years so meh) and that i dont see Nic as a "omg its terrible" , compared again to the rest of the "crap/nasties/other added crap" that i had for 30years of cigs/rollups .. its a "dont mind either way" on going nic free, if i do i do,, if not meh just the tight wallet in me wishing to make the stocks i have last as long as practical
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 0:54:50 GMT
The only reason I'm dropping nic is because I can taste it. I put nic in the same category as caffeine, I don't see it as a necessarily bad thing when vaped.
As you've said it's all the other crap I'd smoked for 20years. Combined with all the solvents, gases, soldering fumes, asbestos etc, I've been breathing for years a little nic is irrelevant
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Post by lemental on Mar 19, 2017 5:18:10 GMT
Very similar thoughts here, i Do belive my "need" of nic is not a physiological one any more, i think/suspect for me it is just the psychological aspect. i started on 12mg/ml, most of the juice i have made has been 11mg/ml (the numbers worked out easier for 11 than 12) but of late i have been mixing at 8mg/ml and or 11mg/ml and a 100ml bottle of either lasts just as long , not a huge drop in mg/ml i will agree, but it will slide down to 6mg/ml soon, mainly as a way to make the nic stores last longer, but thats me thinking/feeling that the relatively low nic compared to rollies has sod all real -ves for me (and i smoked for 30years so meh) and that i dont see Nic as a "omg its terrible" , compared again to the rest of the "crap/nasties/other added crap" that i had for 30years of cigs/rollups .. its a "dont mind either way" on going nic free, if i do i do,, if not meh just the tight wallet in me wishing to make the stocks i have last as long as practical Agreed. Even more so with mtl, we're not raising out blood plasma nicotine levels to even close to the levels of a single fag. Just as an experiment, I mixed 100ml of 3mg/ml cuban supreme for my brother-in-law who still thinks I'm making him 18mg/ml. Previous batch i made him was 12mg/ml. I asked him if he's still vaping the same amount and he says he is. Maybe he's flushing it down the toilet, buying some higher nic juice and just being polite i don't know Just to see if it'd satisfy, i had been dropping my nic level by 0.5mg/ml every few months and now down to zero. Personally i do find there's definitely 'something missing' in the experience but I'm not unhappy, neither am I craving for it, even though i'm going through one of my high anxiety and crappy mood phases right now. Either way, nic isn't harmful so it won't worry me if i dig into the 6.9l packed away in the freezer! In fact it'd give me more room for pizza, chips and ice-cream
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Post by swiftymctavish on Mar 19, 2017 13:04:58 GMT
I sub ohm & MTL but MTL most of the time with 12mg & 3mg for Sub , i still use my old Igo-L Dripper or my Igo-W if i want a restricted MTL on a dripper i've still got my old Goodsense vapor 306dca sitting next to my old silver bullet but i cant find any 306 atomizer now days really enjoyed using this setup back in the day was diggin through some stuff the other day and found 2 new boxes of boge cartos cant beat abit of retro vaping
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Post by sasha1981 on Mar 20, 2017 14:17:18 GMT
Im both, depending on the situation.. Mtl 2.0ohmish for work and when the wife is home, DL 0.3-0.5ohmish for outside
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Post by possum on Mar 21, 2017 2:05:07 GMT
I too am a mtl'er but do occasionally venture into dl. I find the 1.8mm air intake on the KF lite as my perfect sweet spot when it comes to a mtl draw.
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Post by nav69 on Mar 26, 2017 14:44:00 GMT
funny anoth im more of a flavor person with mtl than clouds despite the photo below
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Post by grumpy64 on Mar 26, 2017 15:04:12 GMT
I like the flavor that I get from MTL but it is missing the density that makes me happy and content. I have found a good restricted lung (very hard to find in a tank that does not leak all over the place) produces the flavor and density I desire, which I find like @desperatedan only an rda can produce.
I tend to agree possibly on the whole NIC thing at this point of the game for me, but I am happy with 1.5 to 3% atm. Have been toying with the idea of trying 0 NIC but not just yet.
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Post by Balders on Mar 26, 2017 15:45:58 GMT
I like the flavor that I get from MTL but it is missing the density that makes me happy and content. I have found a good restricted lung (very hard to find in a tank that does not leak all over the place) produces the flavor and density I desire, which I find like @desperatedan only an rda can produce. I tend to agree possibly on the whole NIC thing at this point of the game for me, but I am happy with 1.5 to 3% atm. Have been toying with the idea of trying 0 NIC but not just yet. Try to get hold of a Boreas tank if you want a leak free Rta, they are no longer making them but we'll worth searching the classifieds
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Post by grumpy64 on Mar 26, 2017 15:50:21 GMT
I'll see if I can track one down and give it a try @balders
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Post by Balders on Mar 26, 2017 17:33:15 GMT
I'll see if I can track one down and give it a try @balders I already have four of these and use them on a daily basis, but still wouldn't mind another one as they are the first rta's that no matter how I have wicked them the have still refused to leak on me.
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Post by swiftymctavish on Mar 27, 2017 15:42:07 GMT
You can pick up a black Boreas RTA from here >> Boreas RTA for £31.99 but if you use discount code HOL30 you will get £9.60 off so comes to a nice £22.39
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Post by Balders on Mar 27, 2017 16:41:53 GMT
You can pick up a black Boreas RTA from here >> Boreas RTA for £31.99 but if you use discount code HOL30 you will get £9.60 off so comes to a nice £22.39 I would grab one while you can these are getting very rare now.
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Post by paulspeller on Mar 28, 2017 14:36:08 GMT
bit of both for me really depends on the time of day and the mood
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Post by taff on Mar 28, 2017 18:18:32 GMT
Thought I would give DL a try again this afternoon, so rebuilt my Little 16 with a 0.60 coil and gave it a try...bloody awful too hot banging away like me old car, and just not for me. Tried it for an hour or so, and swapped out the coil again for a nice comfortable 1.20 ohm one... now that's better!!
Some people never learn, and i thought maybe it was because the Little 16 has such a small chamber, so i did the same to my Shift atty, installed a 0.6 ohm coil, and that lasted even less time,, now its back on 1.2 and its great again!!!
Nope DTL is not for me, me old lungs wont take it..
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Post by eatmabb on Mar 28, 2017 18:45:03 GMT
taff you should try a restricted lung hit and seen if you liked that, you should be able to do that with your 1.2 ohm coils.
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Post by taff on Mar 28, 2017 18:56:40 GMT
I can't manage it mate... tried a lot and sometimes its ok and i do actually quite like it.. but most of the time, my old smokers lungs just throw a wobbler coughing so bad that they try and come out of my mouth!!
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